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‘A Complete Disaster For The German Govt’ – Scholz Promises Probe Into “Very Serious” Leaked Recording Of Plan To Destroy Crimea Bridge<\/span><\/p>\n

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Yesterday, we detailed the leak of a wiretapped telephone conversation<\/a> in which senior German officers discuss the use of German Taurus missiles, training, the capabilities of this system and the possibility of destroying the Crimean bridge.<\/p>\n

<\/a><\/p>\n

They revealed many interesting facts. Embarrassing for the Germans, who have now launched an investigation…<\/strong><\/p>\n

As The FT reports, <\/a>German chancellor Olaf Scholz has promised a full investigation after Russia published a recording of a phone call between senior German air force officers in which they appeared to discuss supplying missiles to Ukraine.<\/p>\n

Speaking on the sidelines of a meeting with Pope Francis in Rome, Scholz described the incident as a \u201cvery serious affair\u201d. <\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cIt will be investigated very carefully, intensively and quickly,\u201d<\/strong> he said.<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cIt is also necessary to do so.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Politicians from parties in Scholz\u2019s coalition expressed concern that Russia may have eavesdropped on other sensitive conversations, and that government communications may no longer be adequately protected.<\/p>\n

The German defence ministry said:<\/p>\n

\u201cAccording to our assessment, a Luftwaffe conversation was tapped. We cannot say for sure whether changes were made to the recorded or transcribed version that is circulating on social media.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Konstantin von Notz, a senior Green MP, said it must be swiftly established if the \u201ceavesdropping scandal is a one-time event or a structural problem\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann, head of the Bundestag defence committee, told the news agency RND that the Russians were trying to scare Scholz off from allowing the delivery of Taurus missiles.<\/p>\n

But the cat is out of the bag.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Adding more color to what we already know, Peter Hanseler breaks down, via Voice From Russia,<\/a> the full content of the leaked call and shows how the NATO states are already knee-deep in the Ukraine conflict as active warring parties.<\/p>\n

Participants<\/strong><\/h2>\n

The following persons \u2013 some of whom were not fully identified \u2013 took part in this conversation:<\/p>\n

Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz \u2013 Inspector General of the German Air Force<\/em><\/h4>\n

Link to\u00a0Wikipedia<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz \u2013 Image: Wikipedia<\/em><\/p>\n

Franz Gr\u00e4fe \u2013 Brigadegeneral<\/h4>\n

Link to\u00a0Wikipedia<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

Brigadier General Franz Gr\u00e4fe \u2013 Image: Defense IQ<\/em><\/p>\n

Two employees \u2013 Fenske and Florst\u00e4dt (spelling not clear)<\/h4>\n

Members of the Bundeswehr specialists \u2013 not identified.<\/p>\n

Purpose of the conversation<\/strong><\/h2>\n

From the telephone conference it emerges that the aim of this discussion was to prepare a meeting between these participants and Foreign Minister Boris Pistorius, during which the possibilities and difficulties of using the Taurus system would be presented.<\/p>\n

<\/a><\/p>\n

The Inspector General of the German Air Force, Ingo Gerhartz, welcomes Federal Defence Minister Boris Pistorius at Holzdorf Air Base, 12 October 2023 \u2013 Source: RT<\/em><\/p>\n

The conversation in full length<\/h2>\n

German army discussed strike on Crimean Bridge, leaked audio purportedly indicates<\/p>\n

Kiev has long sought to destroy the critical Russian infrastructure, with two bombings damaging the bridge in the past two years<\/p>\n

German military leaders allegedly discussed an operation to bomb\u2026 pic.twitter.com\/Rt86hcYCmS<\/a><\/p>\n

\u2014 Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil (@ivan_8848) March 1, 2024<\/a><\/p>\n

Summary \u2013 the most important points<\/h2>\n

Preliminary remarks<\/h4>\n

Here you can read the notes that I made during the course of the interview, which lasted just under 38 minutes. The subtitles indicate the approximate time of the comments made. It is not possible to determine exactly which person said what in this conversation<\/p>\n

The first 5 minutes<\/h4>\n

For the first 5 minutes, the conversation is a chat between the employees, who talk about private and business matters, until Gerhartz joins the conversation.<\/p>\n

The only interesting thing is that one of the employees promises the other to send business information via WhatsApp. It seems that security is not at a high level. This attitude may also be the reason why this conversation made it into the public domain.<\/p>\n

Minute 05:30<\/h4>\n

Gerhartz leads the conversation. Pistorius wants to get deeply involved in Taurus. Scholz is blocking it. He had been asked by a journalist whether the reason for the blocking was that this system did not work at all. That is of course not true. You have to give [Pistorius] a good presentation.<\/p>\n

<\/a><\/p>\n

Taurus (cruise missile) \u2013 Source:\u00a0Wikipedia<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

Minute 10:30<\/h4>\n

You don\u2019t just have to present problems, but also solutions.<\/p>\n

When it comes to mission planning, the British use \u201creachback\u201d and then have a few people on the ground. [This probably means that the missions are planned outside of Ukraine and then implemented with people on the ground (British military personnel).<\/p>\n

Minute 10:53<\/h4>\n

There is talk that the British on the ground [Ukraine] could support the Germans. The planning could go through\u00a0MBDA<\/a>\u00a0[producer of Taurus]<\/a>\u00a0\u2013 how should that be done \u2013 question to the employees.<\/p>\n

Minute 11:50<\/h4>\n

There are two points that are sensitive: firstly, the delivery and secondly, the adaptation of the aircraft (Sukhoi). This would take about 8 months.<\/p>\n

Minute 13:50<\/h4>\n

The manufacturer needs about 6 months to convert Taurus for the Sukhoi or F-16.<\/p>\n

Minute 14.23<\/h4>\n

Training on operation would be provided by the manufacturer. The Bundeswehr would take over the tactical training, which would take place in Germany and last approx. 3-4 months.<\/p>\n

Minute 15:10<\/h4>\n

As long as the training lasted, the British could help. Databases and satellite images would come via the manufacturer. The Ukrainians have more high-tech than the German air force, so it is possible that the Ukrainians could shorten the above-mentioned time required.<\/p>\n

Minute 17:00<\/h4>\n

Ausbildung: 3 Wochen beim Hersteller und 4 Wochen bei der Luftwaffe. Planung von Eins\u00e4tzen: Wir m\u00fcssen unterst\u00fctzen: Unsere Leute brauchen 1 Jahr f\u00fcr die Ausbildung. Mit Unterst\u00fctzung der Luftwaffe, 10 Wochen Ausbildung f\u00fcr die Ukrainer.<\/p>\n

Minute 18:10<\/h4>\n

The support could be provided on-line from Germany.<\/p>\n

Minute 19:00<\/h4>\n

Political risk of direct involvement: Data does not come directly from us, but via the manufacturer.<\/p>\n

Minute 19.:20<\/h4>\n

Target data combined with satellite images must be processed in B\u00fcchel (Germany) and could then be transported by car through Poland to Ukraine [bypassing direct participation in the war].<\/p>\n

Minute 20:15<\/h4>\n

Response time: Order to \u201cAirborne\u201d we would need 6 hours, if it has to be more precise than 3 meters, 12 hours.<\/p>\n

Minute 21.15<\/h4>\n

There are already a lot of Americans walking around in civilian clothes. The Ukrainians have satellite data.<\/p>\n

Minute 21.45<\/h4>\n

Russian air defense: We can take evasive action because we are flying low. Storm Shadow flies over waypoints \u2013 we fly around the Russian systems.<\/p>\n

Minute 22:40<\/h4>\n

We need about 50 Taurus in the first round \u2013 that won\u2019t change the war, even if we deliver another 50, but then we\u2019re done, there\u2019s no more.<\/p>\n

Minute 23.:20<\/h4>\n

The French and British will say, now it\u2019s your turn to deliver.<\/p>\n

Minute 23:40<\/h4>\n

Unique selling point compared to Storm Shadow in terms of robustness, air defense and altitude. There are two interesting \u201ctarget types\u201d: firstly the bridge in the east [Crimean Bridge] and then also ammunition depots. The Crimean Bridge is difficult to reach and the pillars are small. Taurus can do that, Storm Shadow can\u2019t.<\/p>\n

<\/a><\/p>\n

Minute 24:25<\/h4>\n

Three routes picked out. Basically feasible with our technology. Limiting factor: SU-24.<\/p>\n

<\/a><\/p>\n

Suchoi \u2013 SU-24 \u2013 Quelle:\u00a0Wikipedia<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

The Ukrainians don\u2019t have many left \u2013 it\u2019s in the single digits [less than 10].<\/p>\n

Pilots can be trained quickly, but training in \u201cimage planning\u201d will not be quick [when the Taurus flies low, terrain images have to be loaded].<\/p>\n

Minute 26:15<\/h4>\n

The Crimean bridge is as big as an airfield. You need 10-20 Taurus for that. \u201cIf we go for the pillars, we might just make a hole and then there we are. We have to give the Ukrainians all the data, otherwise it won\u2019t work.<\/p>\n

Minute 27:50<\/h4>\n

Bridge is extremely important for Russia \u2013 \u201ccenterpiece\u201d \u2013 militarily and politically. No longer quite as important, as they also have the land bridge. But the Russians are still afraid of using the direct link via Ukraine. [Note: The Russians are currently expanding the railroad lines overland].<\/p>\n

Minute 29:05<\/h4>\n

[Now it\u2019s getting political again]. Can we use the trick of running all the data through MBDA [manufacturer] so as not to show a direct link to the Bundeswehr Ukraine? We plan the data and then drive it by car through Poland to Ukraine. It makes no difference \u201cinvolved is involved\u201d.<\/p>\n

Minute 29:30<\/h4>\n

If we do the training properly, it takes 4 months. During this phase, we ask the British to take over. Some kind of interim solution. \u201cJust imagine if this gets to the press\u201d.<\/p>\n

Minute 30.15<\/h4>\n

If the political will is there, then someone from Ukraine should come over here. If the condition is no direct involvement in mission planning, then it will take longer and the result will not be so good. Then you can\u2019t do everything with Taurus, but that doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t do anything with it.<\/p>\n

Minute 31.:35<\/h4>\n

Variants: \u201cQuick-Track\/Low-Track\u201d. Quick results, such as ammunition depots, but not the bridge.<\/p>\n

Minute 32.20<\/h4>\n

Planning to destroy ammunition depots difficult due to massive air defenses. We don\u2019t know where the Russian air defenses are; hopefully the Ukrainians do.<\/p>\n

Minute 33:18<\/h4>\n

If we have all the data and can use it, we can assert ourselves. The less data and training, the less assertiveness.<\/p>\n

Minute 35.23<\/h4>\n

The longer the decision to deliver the Taurus is delayed, the longer it will take to implement. First simple targets [ammunition depots] then more complex ones [Crimean Bridge] or ask the British for support.<\/p>\n

Conclusion<\/strong><\/h2>\n

The mere fact that this telephone conversation was intercepted and has now been published raises questions.<\/p>\n

Firstly, no one knows whether this is an isolated case or whether the Russian secret services can intercept entire sections of German or even NATO communications.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Two details that emerge from the conversation point to negligence: At the beginning of the conversation, one of the participants tells another that he will send him data via WhatsApp. If I understood correctly, this was work-related information. It also emerges from the conversation that one of the participants is conducting the conversation from a hotel room in Singapore. That\u2019s very revealing and the German side may have been more than negligent.<\/p>\n

It is further explained that 50 or even 100 Taurus would be delivered, but that these would have no influence on the course of the war. <\/strong>The question arises as to why this is even being considered \u2013 the answer is clear: marketing and politics and the absolute will to escalate.<\/p>\n

The officers assume that between 10 and 20 Taurus cruise missiles would be needed to destroy the Crimean Bridge, as the bridge is massive and difficult to destroy. The fixation on destroying this bridge between the Russian mainland and Crimea seems almost like a mania, as the Russians are building a connection via the land bridge from Mariupol, which is a safer alternative to the Crimean Bridge.<\/p>\n

Many parts of the conversation revolve around efforts to support the Ukrainians directly \u2013 including people on the ground \u2013 and thus to play a direct role in attacks on Russia. They are looking for solutions and \u201ctricks\u201d to prevent this from appearing to be the case.<\/strong><\/p>\n

It is clear from the conversation that the Americans and British are already fully, directly and locally involved in the war in Ukraine; we pointed this out a year ago in our article \u201cSleepwalkers at work: World War 3 has probably already begun<\/a>\u201d \u2013 now the proof is there.<\/p>\n

Everyone involved is therefore aware that they are waging war against Russia, i.e. the NATO-Russia war is already a reality. This means that Russia is also entitled to attack NATO targets. The fact that the Russian government has not (yet) done so indicates once again that Russia is pursuing a de-escalating course, while the West is fully committed to escalation.<\/p>\n

This leak is a complete disaster for the German government. It shows hesitation, incompetence and dishonesty. Finally, I noticed that the talks were conducted in a very uncoordinated and unstructured manner.<\/strong><\/p>\n

It would be wiser if Chancellor Scholz were to bring himself to negotiate with the Russians, because this is no way to win a war against Russia, but to do everything possible to provoke a world war. Sometimes I wonder whether there are actually people who are deliberately pursuing this goal.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

Tyler Durden<\/a><\/span>
\nSun, 03\/03\/2024 – 12:15<\/span><\/p>\n

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