{"id":1490852,"date":"2024-09-19T13:30:00","date_gmt":"2024-09-19T17:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/?p=1490852"},"modified":"2024-09-19T13:30:00","modified_gmt":"2024-09-19T17:30:00","slug":"key-battle-on-election-betting-market-heads-to-appeals-court","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/key-battle-on-election-betting-market-heads-to-appeals-court\/1490852\/","title":{"rendered":"Key Battle On Election-Betting Market Heads To Appeals Court"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"field field--name-title field--type-string field--label-hidden\">Key Battle On Election-Betting Market Heads To Appeals Court<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"clearfix text-formatted field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field__item\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theepochtimes.com\/us\/key-battle-on-election-betting-market-heads-to-appeals-court-5726578?utm_source=partner&amp;utm_campaign=ZeroHedge\"><em>Authored by John Haughey via The Epoch Times,<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>A legal battle over the future of a website\u2019s election prediction market is set to continue on Sept. 19, when an appeals court hears the case of Kalshi v. CFTC, a decision that could reshape how Americans engage in political discourse.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/image%20%2840%29_4.jpg?itok=z4ygFDL-\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The three-judge U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit will be considering whether individuals should be permitted to purchase contracts to participate in predictive markets that trade on the outcome of elections. If so, should these markets be regulated like other financial exchanges and commodity markets or as a form of gambling?<\/p>\n<p>New York-based <a href=\"https:\/\/kalshi.com\/\">KalshiEx LLC<\/a> argues that the <a href=\"https:\/\/kalshi.com\/events\/politics\">elections market<\/a> section of its website is a derivatives trading platform where participants buy and sell contracts based on projected outcomes of events, such as elections, and should be regulated no differently than grain futures that investors purchase as hedges against price fluctuations.<\/p>\n<p>These markets provide a \u201cpublic benefit\u201d by gauging public sentiment in real-time, Kalshi maintains, a valuable guide for policymakers, politicians, and pundits in charting the public pulse.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), which regulates the U.S. derivatives markets, argues that Kalshi\u2019s platform blurs the line between commodity trading and gambling, and should not be viewed the same as futures contracts.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The commission maintains that Kalshi\u2019s market puts it in a position to be a de facto elections regulator, which it is not designed to be. Such contracts provide no \u201cpublic interest\u201d and, in fact, pose a risk to electoral integrity and could potentially incentivize manipulation and fraud, the CFTC argues.<\/p>\n<p>Those conflicting contentions are the core of what the appellate panel will deliberate on before it decides to lift or sustain its stay on U.S. District Judge Jia Cobb\u2019s Sept. 6 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theepochtimes.com\/business\/federal-judge-clears-path-for-americans-to-bet-on-election-outcomes-5723401\">ruling<\/a> in favor of the platform. Judge Cobbs found that the defendant, CFTC, exceeded its statutory authority as a Wall Street regulator when it issued a September 2023 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cftc.gov\/sites\/default\/files\/filings\/documents\/2023\/orgkexkalshiordersig230922.pdf\">order<\/a> stopping Kalshi from going online with its market because it is a \u201cprohibited gambling activity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Judge Cobbs on Sept. 12 also denied CFTC\u2019s motion for a stay while it mounts an appeal.<\/p>\n<p>After the initial stay request was rejected, Kalshi wasted little time getting its market online. Attorneys for the CFTC were also busy, and within hours secured a stay from the appeals court, setting the stage for the 2 p.m. Sept. 19 hearing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>In the brief time before trading was paused \u201cpending court process\u201d late Sept. 12, more than 65,000 contracts had been sold on the questions, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/elections.kalshi.com\/markets\/controlh\/house-winner\">Which party will control the House?<\/a>\u201d and \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/elections.kalshi.com\/markets\/controls\/senate-winner\">Which party will control the Senate?<\/a>\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The appellate panel will essentially be engaged in a technical legal debate over the definition of \u201cgaming\u201d and \u201cgambling,\u201d and how they would apply, in this case, to any potential regulation.<\/p>\n<p>In its Sept. 13 <a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cadc.41256\/gov.uscourts.cadc.41256.1208662007.1.pdf\">filing<\/a> calling for the stay to be lifted, Kalshi rejected CFTC\u2019s definition that trading on election prediction markets is \u201cgaming.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cAn election is not a game. It is not staged for entertainment or for sport. And, unlike the outcome of a game, the outcome of an election carries vast extrinsic and economic consequences,\u201d<\/strong><\/em> it maintains.<\/p>\n<p>The CFTC said in its Sept. 14 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theepochtimes.com\/assets\/uploads\/2024\/09\/19\/id5726754-KalshiexvCFTC-Reply.pdf\">filing<\/a> that because \u201cKalshi\u2019s contracts involve staking something of value on the outcome of elections, they fall within the ordinary definition of \u2018gaming.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>\u2018Horse Has Left the Barn\u2019<\/h2>\n<p><strong>Regardless of how the panel rules, \u201cThe horse has left the barn,\u201d <\/strong>said <a href=\"https:\/\/mickbransfield.com\/\">data consultant<\/a> Mick Bransfield, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, who trades on Kalshi\u2019s website and purchased a \u201cSenate control\u201d contract.<\/p>\n<p>There are ample opportunities to place election wagers on offshore websites such as New Zealand-based <a href=\"https:\/\/www.predictit.org\/\">PredictIt,<\/a> which imposes strict spending limits; on websites such as <a href=\"https:\/\/polymarket.com\/\">Polymarket<\/a>, a New York-based platform that cannot legally accept wagers from within the United States; or the <a href=\"https:\/\/amciv.com\/\">American Civics Exchange<\/a>, where businesses and high net worth individuals can purchase \u201cbinary derivative contracts\u201d through proxies tied to policy and electoral outcomes as hedges against \u201cunpredictable electoral, legislative, and regulatory events.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/image%20%2842%29_4.jpg?itok=frq13R-S\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Predictit.org\/Screenshot via The Epoch Times<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cElections predictive markets have been around since 1988 in the United States,\u201d<\/strong><\/em> Bransfield told The Epoch Times, adding that <strong>the issue is \u201cmore nuanced than people realize.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>That nuance, said Carl Allen, author of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/aw\/d\/1032483024\">The Polls Weren\u2019t Wrong<\/a>, is that Kalshi\u2019s platform would be the first federally regulated U.S.-based predictive elections market open to all individuals without spending limits.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cTo me, the question is not should it be regulated, the question is how? I think that is where we are,\u201d <\/strong><\/em>Allen, who writes about predictive markets on <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/@realcarlallen\">substack,<\/a> told The Epoch Times.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s challenging to get your arms around this because there are so many organizations involved with it,\u201d he said. \u201cWe\u2019re reaching a really interesting point with sports betting going from totally disallowed, except for in Vegas and a few brick-and-mortar [stores], to being everywhere; crypto currency drastically growing; ETFs [Exchange-Traded Funds] getting big;\u201d and Kashi attempting to open a predictive market on election outcomes.<\/p>\n<p>Prediction market trader and Kalshi community manager Jonathan Zubkoff, who also\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/ZubbyBadger\">writes<\/a> about predictive markets and wagering, said the CFTC\u2019s claim that elections markets are betting websites is mistaken.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cIt\u2019s not the same as sports betting\u201d where there is \u201ca line posted and billions of dollars are traded against it across different time zones,\u201d prompting the odds to fluctuate,<\/strong> he told The Epoch Times. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u201cIf you are looking at a line [to bet] on a Friday night for a Sunday game, there\u2019s no hedge whatsoever.\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In elections markets, \u201cthere actually is a hedge\u201d that gives people an opportunity to put money where \u201ctheir bias is,\u201d Zubkoff said.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/coalitionforpoliticalforecasting.org\/\">Coalition For Political Forecasting<\/a> Executive Director Pratik Chougule said another difference between sports betting and other types of gambling and predictive elections markets is that \u201cunlike many other forms of speculation, the wagering here has a real public interest benefit. These markets inform in a way that is very beneficial.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In October 2023, Chougule told The Epoch Times that elections markets reflect predictive science, citing numerous studies documenting that political betting websites are better indicators of public sentiment than any other measure except the election results themselves, including a study by Professor David Rothschild of the University of Pennsylvania\u2019s Wharton School of Business.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cPolling is very unreliable,\u201d <\/strong>he said. <strong>\u201cAnd so we basically believe that, in order to promote good forecasting for the public interest, we believe that political betting is one solution to that because, at the end of the day when you have people wagering their own money on the line, that creates incentives that are very hard to replicate through other ways.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Chougule, who hosts the podcast <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@starspangledgamblers1029\">Star Spangled Gamblers<\/a>, believes that, while not always accurate, election predictive markets are the best gauge of public sentiment in real-time.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen they make a prediction, they are putting their money on the line,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s a pretty clear barometer of how an election is going.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>\u2018Gray Area\u2019 Needs Rules<\/h2>\n<p><strong>Chougule said he was \u201cpessimistic\u201d that Kalshi\u2019s elections market would be online by Nov. 5.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cI think when you look at the landscape at the federal and state level, at Congress, at federal agencies, [there is] fear and skepticism and concern about what widespread elections betting could mean for our democratic institutions,\u201d he said. \u201cI don\u2019t agree but it\u2019s a fact.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Bransfield said he was surprised by Cobb\u2019s ruling against the regulators. \u201cIt did not seem the district court would side with Kalshi after the oral arguments in May,\u201d he said. \u201cThe judge referred to elections contracts as \u2018icky.\u2019 That gave me the assumption that it would be unpalatable to her.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But there is reason to be deliberative, Bransfield said.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cWe should always be concerned about the integrity of our elections but these elections contracts have been around for so long,\u201d he said, noting that more than $1 billion in 2024 U.S. elections contracts have already been purchased in the United Kingdom alone. \u201cAll those concerns already exist and have for a long time.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Certainly, Allen said, \u201cthere are a lot of downstream effects that we are going to see from this,\u201d but some fears are unfounded.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Unlike a sports contest where one player can affect the outcome, it would take a widespread concerted effort to \u201cfix\u201d an election, he said. Nevertheless, there is \u201cpotential for unscrupulous actors to release a hot tip\u201d that could affect predictive markets.<\/p>\n<p>Allen cited speculation about when former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley would end her presidential campaign during the Republican primaries, whether Robert F. Kennedy would pull the plug on his independent presidential campaign, and who both parties would pick as their vice presidential candidates as examples.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cA handful of people knew about [vice president picks] before it was public. It would be financially beneficial for someone to throw a couple [of] thousand dollars into that market,\u201d<\/strong><\/em> he said.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/image%20%2841%29_4.jpg?itok=PtjWJ9bq\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Prime Minister Rishi Sunak (C) and his wife Akshata Murty (in yellow) at the launch of the Conservative Party general election manifesto at Silverstone race track in Northamptonshire, England, on June 11, 2024. James Manning\/PA<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The CFTC, in its challenge, noted that bets had been placed on the July 4 British general election date before Prime Minister Rishi Sunak officially announced it in May.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cIt is very hard to see this gray area without some rules,\u201d <\/strong><\/em>Allen said.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cClaiming that betting in elections is going to lead to issues with democracy and election integrity is one of the most ridiculous things I ever heard,\u201d Zubkoff said, calling them \u201celections integrity dog whistles.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Critics \u201care sort of lashing out,\u201d he continued.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201cIt is a total misunderstanding. As someone who has traded in these markets, I haven\u2019t seen anything that remotely constitutes a threat\u201d to election integrity.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Zubkoff said Kalshi \u201cvery clearly has the better arguments\u201d and cited the Supreme Court\u2019s Chevron repeal as momentum that \u201cbodes well for the future\u201d of predictive elections markets.<\/p>\n<p>He believes the appellate court will deny CFTC\u2019s motion to extend the stay, and placed the odds of Kalshi getting a \u201cyes\u201d to go online before November\u2019s elections at 60 percent.<\/p>\n<p>Zubkoff noted that just like predictive elections markets, those odds could change in real-time during the hearing. \u201cI could give you much better odds while listening to the hearing just based on the questions the judges ask,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>Allen said <strong>the odds are \u201cbetter than 60-40\u201d that Kalshi will win its case<\/strong>, before qualifying that prediction with the ultimate hedge: \u201cI don\u2019t know how much money I would put on that.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>      <span class=\"field field--name-uid field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden\"><a title=\"View user profile.\" href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/users\/tyler-durden\" class=\"username\">Tyler Durden<\/a><\/span><br \/>\n<span class=\"field field--name-created field--type-created field--label-hidden\">Thu, 09\/19\/2024 &#8211; 09:30<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u200b<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/political\/key-battle-election-betting-market-heads-appeals-court\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/political\/key-battle-election-betting-market-heads-appeals-court<\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Key Battle On Election-Betting Market Heads To Appeals Court Authored by John Haughey via The Epoch Times, A legal battle over the future of a&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":0,"featured_media":1490853,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1490852","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news","wpcat-1-id"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pbimBl-6fQ0","jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/09\/image20284029_4-WCUCuw.jpeg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1490852","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1490852"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1490852\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1490853"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1490852"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1490852"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1490852"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}