{"id":1496136,"date":"2024-10-14T21:20:00","date_gmt":"2024-10-15T01:20:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/?p=1496136"},"modified":"2024-10-14T21:20:00","modified_gmt":"2024-10-15T01:20:00","slug":"china-new-credit-data-is-a-disappointing-mess-sparking-speculation-of-qe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/china-new-credit-data-is-a-disappointing-mess-sparking-speculation-of-qe\/1496136\/","title":{"rendered":"China New Credit Data Is A Disappointing Mess, Sparking Speculation Of QE"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"field field--name-title field--type-string field--label-hidden\">China New Credit Data Is A Disappointing Mess, Sparking Speculation Of QE<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"clearfix text-formatted field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field__item\">\n<p>Two weeks ago, when the world was still enamored with <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/zerohedge\/status\/1841471322309685384\">Jim Cramer&#8217;s idiotic idea <\/a>that Chinese stonks can magically double in just a few weeks simply because Beijing had some soothing words to say and because when it comes to greater fools, China has more than anyone else, and when Goldman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/goldman-hikes-sp-price-target-cuts-recession-odds-and-lifts-china-overweight\">laughably upgraded Chinese stocks <strong>after <\/strong>the 30% runup <\/a>had already taken place,we warned that the party was about to end&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Cramer: &#8220;You have to come in China stocks right now&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the top.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 zerohedge (@zerohedge) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zerohedge\/status\/1841471322309685384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 2, 2024<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230; for one simple reason: as we said in &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/why-chinas-rally-wont-have-legs\">Why China&#8217;s Rally Won&#8217;t Have Legs<\/a>&#8220;, China would be unable to recreate previous reflationary episodes simply because <strong>Beijing would not be able to recreate the credit impulse explosion that rebooted the Chinese economy during previous downturns, in 2012, 2015 and 2020.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Specifically<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/why-chinas-rally-wont-have-legs\">, this is what we said<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>In the 2015 stimulus cycle, China\u2019s credit impulse peaked at 13.5 trillion yuan, equivalent to over 15 percent of GDP. <strong>Given that China\u2019s nominal economy is now twice as large, an equivalent stimulus would need the credit impulse to peak at 27 trillion yuan<\/strong> (Chart 2).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/china%20economy%20grown_0.jpg?itok=LJKH_9jn\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At its most recent peak though, China\u2019s credit impulse did not even reach 5 trillion yuan! <strong>Meaning that to compare with the 2015 episode, the just-announced stimulus cycle would need an amplitude five times greater than the most recent peak.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This would require a major reversal of the downtrend in stimulus cycles through the past two decades. After the credit impulse peaked at a monster 25 percent of GDP in 2009, subsequent peaks have reached 15 percent, 15 percent, 10 percent, and just 3 percent. This is significant because as the peak impulse has dwindled, so has the boost to growth (Chart 3 and Chart 4).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/china%20credit%202_0.jpg?itok=XoO3UPjV\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We bring this up because earlier today China published its latest, September, credit data, and it was a mess: the broadest credit aggregate, total social financing (TSF), as well as new RMB loans remained soft, in line with market expectations.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/china%20TSF%20sept%2024.jpg?itok=pxzDvuOi\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here are the details:<\/p>\n<p><strong>New RMB loans<\/strong>: RMB 1590bn in September (RMB loans to the real economy: RMB 1973bn) vs. Bloomberg consensus: RMB 1938bn.<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>Outstanding RMB loan growth: <\/strong>8.1% yoy in September; down from 8.5% yoy in August.<br \/>\n\t\t<strong>New RMB loans missed market expectations and were much lower than a year ago. <\/strong>The outstanding RMB loan growth declined to 8.1% yoy in September (vs. 8.5% yoy in August). In addition, the composition of new loans suggested credit demand remained weak in September. After seasonal adjustment, household loans expanded mildly by 1.7% month-over-month annualized in September (vs. 2.1% in August), with accelerated short-term loans extension. Bill financing growth remained solid (31.6% month-over-month annualized in September vs. 34.4% in August), while corporate medium-to-long term loans growth moderated to 8.6% month-over-month annualized in September (vs. 10.1% in August).<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>Total social financing<\/strong>: RMB 3760bn in September, in line with Bloomberg consensus: RMB 3575bn.<br \/>\n\t<strong>TSF stock growth: <\/strong>8.0% yoy in September, down from 8.1% in August. The implied month-on-month growth of TSF stock: 8.4% in September vs. 8.4% in August.<br \/>\n\t\t<strong>TSF flows were broadly unchanged from August to September, as a rise of government bond issuance was offset by a decline of corporate bond issuance. <\/strong>Specifically, government bond net issuance rose to RMB 1349bn vs. RMB 1174bn in August after seasonal adjustment, while corporate bond net issuance fell to RMB -41bn in September after seasonal adjustment vs. RMB 85bn in August. In year-over-year terms, TSF stock growth edged down to 8.0% from 8.1% in August. The implied sequential growth of TSF stock was unchanged at 8.4% mom sa annualized in September.<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>M2: <\/strong>6.8% yoy in September vs. Bloomberg consensus: 6.4% yoy, August: 6.3% yoy<strong>; more ominously, M1 growth edged down to -7.4% yoy in September, <\/strong>vs. -7.3% yoy in August.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/TSF%20M1.jpg?itok=YSI98Mg4\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>According to Goldman, <strong>the September credit data indicated credit demand of private sectors remained weak: <\/strong>household loan growth remained low, and corporate loan growth moderated. Money supply data were mixed: <strong>M1 stock still experienced a deep contraction, but M2 growth picked up in September <\/strong>(as a reminder, M1 has to surpass M2 for China to even have a hope of a successful reset).<strong> <\/strong>The Securities Times reported that the rise of M2 growth was driven by inflows into bank deposits and margin deposits, thanks to the stock market rally in late September; of course, the subsequent drop means that M2 will promptly reverse. More importantly, <strong>the deep M1 contraction still signals likely disinflationary pressures in the coming months.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>China credit impulse remains depressionary. For all its talk, Beijing will need to unleash a new credit flood for markets to take it seriously. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/U0tsQrRle3\">pic.twitter.com\/U0tsQrRle3<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 zerohedge (@zerohedge) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zerohedge\/status\/1845804774182019345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 14, 2024<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Bottom line: this was a clear step in the wrong direction for China, and Beijing&#8217;s desire to reflate the economy, and reminds us of what we said one week ago, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/goldman-china-must-do-qe-now-or-it-will-end-bigger-hole-12-months\">when we quoted a Goldman trader <\/a>who cautioned that unless China does QE &#8220;now&#8221;, it will ned up in a much bigger hole in 12 months, as there is just one thing that matters for China: M1 vs M2 dynamics, to wit: <em>&#8220;<strong>If the rally has legs you need to see M1 growing faster than M2 <\/strong>(demand for settlement balances above demand for saving balances) and you also need to see much steeper curve.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/China%20M1%20and%20M2_0.jpg?itok=bG1G1WFF\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Which brings us to this morning, because just hours after the latest dismal credit data was published, China&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/china-qe-next-caixin-reports-massive-bond-issuance-imminent\">Caixin reported<\/a> that the first tentative step to full-blown QE, namely the imminent issuance of <strong>&#8220;6 trillion yuan from ultra-long special treasury bonds over three years as part of its efforts to buttress the slowing economy through fiscal stimulus.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Naturally, with amounts that big, the central bank will have to backstop demand, hence QE. And, as a reminder, one week ago we <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/goldman-china-must-do-qe-now-or-it-will-end-bigger-hole-12-months\">also said that <\/a>&#8220;<em>if China does do QE, oil will soar, and bitcoin and gold will be orders of magnitude higher once Beijing triggers then next global reflationary tsunami.&#8221; <\/em>That should explain why bitcoin surged today&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/s3\/files\/inline-images\/bitcoin%20spike.jpg?itok=5xnEoaED\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230; and why it is well on its way to new all time highs again.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>      <span class=\"field field--name-uid field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden\"><a title=\"View user profile.\" href=\"https:\/\/cms.zerohedge.com\/users\/tyler-durden\" class=\"username\">Tyler Durden<\/a><\/span><br \/>\n<span class=\"field field--name-created field--type-created field--label-hidden\">Mon, 10\/14\/2024 &#8211; 17:20<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u200b<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/china-new-credit-data-disappointing-mess-sparking-speculation-qe\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/markets\/china-new-credit-data-disappointing-mess-sparking-speculation-qe<\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>China New Credit Data Is A Disappointing Mess, Sparking Speculation Of QE Two weeks ago, when the world was still enamored with Jim Cramer&#8217;s idiotic&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":0,"featured_media":1496137,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1496136","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news","wpcat-1-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1496136","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1496136"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1496136\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1496137"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1496136"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1496136"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bugaluu.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1496136"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}